District One is going to be absurd this year as usual and the next few weeks should really help us piece together what the meet will look like. Keep in mind only 8 individuals/relays max can get through to the state champs. That means in races like the 8 and the 4x8 people who hit the SQS might not even make finals and those who hit the SQS in trials may not hit the SQS in the finals and therefore not even get to go to states (a process which I find dreadfully unfair considering D1 is the only district that even has trials and finals).
In order to get a better picture of exactly what kind of times it might take to get through to the state championship, I figured I'd write up a few speculation pieces to pass the time. The most interesting piece to the District One puzzle will be the Henderson crew. I believe the qualifying marks are something like 1:59.64, 4:29.24 and 9:50.24 but not sure on that last one. Assuming that's the case we are looking at:
800m
Thompson (1:54)*
Russell (1:56)*
Moy (1:57.48)
Stratman (1:58)
Collins (1:58)
1600m
Russell (4:09)*
Barchet (4:16)*
Stratman (4:17)*
Collins (4:18)*
Moy (4:21)*
Waltz (4:24.64)
Knapp (4:27)
3200m
Russell (8:57)*
Barchet (9:03)*
Collins (9:16)*
Stratman (9:18)*
Waltz (9:39)
Knapp (9:41)
Note: Swart is right around the mark at 9:50.33
I believe the rule is only 3 per team per event which means lots of guys are getting left out of the equation here. I also marked all the marks that are under the SQS in each event as a point of reference. This group has 4 guys under the 32 state mark (by a lot) and 5 under the 1600 SQS (Waltz is less than half a second away from being the 6th). The team also has a district qualifying mark in the 4x8 that is worth noting (8:04.12).
All signs out of the Henderson camp point to Russell doing the double: 3200 and 1600. I think this is a worthwhile goal and something that is very possible considering how well Russell has raced this year. So you can basically pencil him right away for those two events (and only those two events realistically). Barchet seems to be a logical choice for a focused 3200m effort. He is in a position to be go after 1-2 with Tony at the state meet and I think he deserves the opportunity to chase individual glory after having basically no chances to run the 3k indoors. So I'd pencil him in for a 32 (and only a 32, although there is an outside chance he may test his luck in the 16, I just don't see it happening).
So that leaves just one spot left in the 32 to be split between Collins and Stratman, who are both no bonafide members of the sub 9:20 club. Sub 9:20 guys are usually right around the lock category for states out of District One in the 32. That kind of talent usually gets you through the difficult district meet so either Collins or Strat would have an excellent shot at punching a ticket. Collins beat Stratman last time out at 32 and Stratman has had nice success at the down distances like 8, 12 and 16 so the logical positioning would be Collins in the 32 and Stratman in the 16.
Worth noting here: Collins and Stratman both ran the 32 last year at Districts with Stratman getting the last spot in 9:28. Not sure if that will be a factor here because there is space in the 1600 for one of them, but it is interesting to keep in mind.
With Strat in the 16 and Collins in the 32 that leaves one spot in the 16 which may end up belong to Waltz if Henderson decides to focus Moy (top returner from the 1600 at states last year) on the 800 instead. Thompson is taking up one spot in the 8 regardless, that's his event and he is an early favorite to grab one of the state spots out of the district. If they see Moy as a better choice for the 16, then Waltz and Knapp are relegated to a 4x8 B squad similar to their 8:12 effort from a year ago. You have to feel bad for Knapp who is a 4:27/9:41/15:30ish guy and is buried on the depth chart on this stacked squad.
So right now the speculation would indicate something like this:
800
Thompson
1600
Russell, Moy, Stratman
3200
Russell, Barchet, Collins
4x8
Knapp, Waltz, G. Barchet, Swart/Aldrich/somebody else
The advantage of this set up is if somehow Strat or Moy miss finals in the 16 they can jump in the 800 and try and get to finals in that event. You have 7 guys in the individuals who have state qualifying marks and great PRs across the board. The bad news is guys like Knapp and Waltz are left off the individual roster and end up doing a 4x8 that will likely struggle to make it out of the prelims against the stacked field that awaits them.
Now they could vary that individual line up and throw Strat and Moy in the 8 and switch Knapp and Waltz into the 16 but then you put Strat in a tough spot as the 800 is probably stretching the limits of his speed and Knapp and Waltz are far from locks to make a final in the 16. It let's more guys compete this weekend, but it hurts people's chances of competing the following week at states.
They could also get creative with a 4x8. Think about this for an option:
4x8
Moy, Thompson, Startman, Collins
1600
Russell, Waltz, Knapp
3200
Russell, Barchet, Swart (if he can get under between now and then)
800
Thompson, Moy, possibly Stratman or Collins if you feel like it
In this situation you fill out your card. That 4x8 could compete for a district title (and therefore a state title). Moy 1:55 Thompson 1:54 Stratman 1:57 Collins 1:58 gives you 7:44 before you add in tenths and there is room for improvement across the board. That team could give SC a run for their money at states and definitely could take on Pennridge, CB East, and whoever else is at the top of the District. Plus you always have the option to use Barchet in the trials to keep someone's legs fresh for the finals like Nick Bonaventure used to do for Penncrest before his 32s.
Meanwhile you let Waltz, Knapp and Swart get their shot at the individual events while the big dogs like Russell and Barchet are still in a great spot to lock up their individual goals. Thompson can double back Chaborek style and get into states in the open 8 and Moy and Strat or Collins could take their shot at it as well.
The problem with this situation is that you leave a couple sub 9:20 and sub 4:20 guys on a relay and outside of the state medal conversation at both events. You limit Moy and Thompson's qualifying abilities if they are tired with doubling legs. Is it fair to these guys who put everything into the indoor relays to now sacrifice their individual aspirations for the relays? Or would they rather go after state gold in the 4x8 than nip around at medals in individual events?
I personally want the 4x8 situation to happen. I think it would be really cool to have Henderson in the state title talks (I personally really wish there was some crazy situation where Russell somehow ended up on the relay as well but with a 32-16 double on his plate no way is that happening) and Strat and Moy and Thompson have already shown up big time on some key relays. It would be nice for Collins to get some relay hardware even if it is down in distance a bit for him.
But what I think will happen is probably some version of the individual based model I layed out above. I think these guys are just such big talents individually you have to let them go after state medals in their best events and see what happens.
I'll tell you one thing, I'm glad that I don't have to make the decision.
Wow, that’s some serious District options for Henderson. They need a math major like Etrain just to keep up with all the possible combinations! And his analysis is well thought out, as usual. I agree it’d be tough being the guy making those decisions. But since Etrain and Forrest give us a place to pretend to be that guy making the decisions, I’ll do it!
ReplyDeleteIt might be best for WCH to keep it simple - put each runner in their top individual event with his best chance for state qualifying and state medaling and then bring the top four back for the 4x800….that includes Russell.
Thompson – 800. He makes it easy…no need to mess around with the 400.
Moy – 1600. He ran a great 800 split at Penn Relays but has yet to get to last year’s level in the 1600. But the 1600 is probably his best event and if
WCH is going 4xmile at nationals it’d be great to get him back to the 4:16 level. He did go 4:21 last week so he’s about where he was last year going into districts.
Stratman – 1600. Ran a great 4:17 a few weeks ago, like Moy is needed at the mile/800 level more than the 3200, for the 4x800, DMR and 4xmile relays (if WCH chooses any of those events)
Barchet/Collins/Waltz – 3200. All are stronger at that 3200 than the shorter distances. It'd be unfortunate if a guy with Waltz's credentials is left out as a senior, but it's possible with this team.
Russell – 1600. He’s had an incredible senior year, probably worthy of a separate discussion on the blogs near the season’s end. But the 1600/3200 double? I hear he’s talking (some said bragging) about going after it. From both an individual and team perspective it might not make sense and why bother anyway?
Individually, if there was a time to go after that double it was indoor states, with no district qualifying or mile preliminaries. He didn’t do it then so why would he do it now? Outdoor brings two tough 1600’s and a 3200 at a stacked District 1 meet just to qualify and then the same thing again a week later at states. Then WCH has their John Hays meet which is like a states sequel in the mile and a good filler to keep them sharp for Nationals in June. Throw in graduation and all the good times that come with it and that’s a whirlwind of four weeks coming up. Why make it anymore grueling?
From a team perspective, Russell gives the 4x800 a very good chance at state gold, a school record, and maybe even a better chance for himself to pick up two gold medals than if he went for the 1600/3200. A 4x800 of Stratman, Moy, Russell and Thompson (my preferred order) even on the double, is on a good day 7:44 or so, and likely better. That’s legit. And again, with nationals in mid June it might help to stay balanced with a lighter load. These guys have a real shot at finishing their high school careers with a national championship in either the DMR or the 4xmile. They could even scare the national record in the 4xmile.
The 1600/3200 double might happen since Russell must give up individual events again at Nationals so maybe he’s being given a shot to achieve something special at states. He’s certainly missed opportunities for individual glory in the past at meets like Penn Relays and indoor nationals so if he's given the go at the 1600/3200 double gold it’s understandable and fair. But I’d rather see him go low in the 1600 and join the 4x800 squad for a chance at a win, and stay less stressed for nationals.. but……I only get to pretend to make those choices.
I’m guessing they do end up going with each senior in their top event, and then go after the 4x800 so, my prediction for WCH Districts line up:
800 – Thompson
1600 – Russell, Moy, Stratman
3200 – Barchet, Collins, Waltz
4x800 – Stratman, Moy, Russell, Thompson
- RJJL
Russell has already confirmed that he's doing the double. So my guess for what the guys on his team are doing is.
Delete800- Moy, Thompson
1600- Russell, Stratman, maybe Waltz
3200- Barchet, Collins, knapp
4x800 Stratman Moy ? Thompson
My guess is that they'll double back Barchet for the 4x800 because Russell has so much on his plate. They might just throw in a lesser known guy on the relay because they're a dead lock to qualify anyway.
remember at districts and states the order of distance events is:
ReplyDelete3200m
4x800m
1600m
800m
and in the trails it goes
4x8
16
8
with no 32 trials
so anybody who runs the 4x8 isn't fresh for their individual events
Henderson could very well take the 4x8 with Russell and Russell the 16 on the double, that's two wins and four runners with state gold. And Barchet has as good a chance as anyone in the 32 so a fifth gold not out of the question.
DeleteWithout Russell in the 4x8, no chance at state gold, he can take the 16 and probably the 32 on the double, so 1 runner with 2 state golds.
Tough choices.
No chance at state gold? State college's times outdoors are like 1:57 1:57 1:56 1:53. Henderson's are 1:54 1:56 1:57 1:57. That's only one second and a lot of those guys are killing it in other events so their 800's might drop too.
Deleterussell somewhere around 1:52 today at chesmonts..
DeleteThey'd be crazy not to load up the 4x800. Russell has four seconds on their 4th guy and that's the difference between 1st and something else.
DeleteHenderson 4x800 has a shot without Russell, they could go 7:44, but that probably won't be enough to win and nobody remembers second.
DeleteThis is what henderson will do.
ReplyDelete3200- Russell, Barchet, Knapp
1600- Russell, Waltz, maybe Barchet again
4x800- Collins, Stratman, Moy, and Thompson. Collins just ran a 1:56 today after going out in 60. they could go sub 7:40 on a great day.
800- probably just Thompson. not sure on this one.