Indoor Preview 2017: The Distance Relay Rule Year II

by Jarrett Felix

In 2016 the PTFCA changed the order at the Pennsylvania Indoor State Meet to allow schools to enter both the distance medley relay and the 4x800 meter relay at the indoor state championships. Prior to that, the relays were run back to back and schools had to make a choice. It’s also worth noting that, starting in 2015, there were no longer automatic qualifying times for the state championships. Instead, you had to be in the top submitted entries for the relays to make it to states.

Based on what I can see on the website, they are bumping the 4x800 up to 16 teams which would imply two heats of this event for the first time since the switch from absolute standards to relative standards. That’s a huge swing as the 4x8 easily had the biggest discrepancy between actual cut-off times and “guideline times” that the PTFCA puts out there to help coaches keep track of where they are at. I’m thrilled to see this and hope it holds. For the record, it also appears they have lowered the DMR guideline time down to 10:43.23 which is pretty darn quick. It looks like this is the only distance time that been adjusted. Under no circumstances does the PTFCA want two heats of the longest track event of the championships.

When this new rule was introduced a year ago, I speculated a lot about what it could mean in a post on this very blog. Now, with a little extra data we can dig in a tiny bit more to the points I made at the time and compare them to what has actually been happening. My #1 concern at the time of the rule change was the fact that coaches would be able to run “B” teams in relays they had qualified in and, therefore, one school’s “B” team could jump another school’s “A” team in the standings and unfairly take the place of a better school that would be more deserving of the spot. Because there are no absolute qualifying times, this is not a victimless crime.

This unequivocally happened. If you watched the races or looked at the results, it’s not hard to pick out where it happened. But, just like I said at the time, I don’t blame the coaches for this at all. If I was a coach, it’s exactly what I would do because I’d want as many of my personal athletes as possible to be competing at states. That’s part of my job as being a coach. But I feel bad for the other coaches that were left out whose job it is to get their athletes to states.

Allegedly, the PTFCA had told schools that if they ran “B” relays, they would be banned from participating in the relays the next year. So we will see if certain schools find themselves outside of the qualifying list for no apparent reason, but I doubt this will happen. It’s an especially complicated issue because we don’t know exactly what defines a “B” team. For example, CB East did not run their star Jake Brophy on the 4x8 relay at indoor states, however, the relay they did run was still more than deserving of a spot. They hung tough in the second half of the race and ended up finishing a very close 9th (prior to a DQ). Technically, I’d assume this relay was not the same 4 guys as the relay that qualified, but it’s also not fair to say this team wasn’t state championship worthy. However, by the same token, there were probably other teams that were left home who could have potentially be state championship worthy if they had the chance to prove themselves and maybe those teams had faster qualifying times during the regular season than this specific CB East relay did.

And I don’t mean to single out CB East here. I could go through and list everyone who put out a B team, but I’d rather not get into that. I can tell you that it’s probable that 3 4x800 teams and 2 DMR schools swapped out at least one of their critical legs that had helped them qualify for the meet. CB East is just an interesting case because their “B” team was so good it’s hard to say it wasn’t an “A” team. They are exactly the kind of team that makes any rules surrounding “B” teams so difficult to enforce.

But ignoring the fairness component of this whole thing, let’s talk about how the new rule actually affected results. Unsurprisingly, a lot of teams qualified for both relays. Unsurprisingly, basically every team who qualified for both, entered both (I believe Seneca Valley was the only exception, although they were definitely a borderline case in the 4x8). In total, we had 7 teams compete in both relays: O’Hara, Germantown Friends, State College, CB West, CB East, LaSalle and Pennridge. Considering the relays were slated to be limited to 12 entries, that would be over 50% of the fields overlapping compared to 0% in previous years. That’s a pretty big swing. That also means 7 distance programs were cut out of the state meet (at least on the relay side) compared to last year as those 7 overlapping spots would have gone to another team in a one distance relay system.

But those teams that doubled up on the relays were very strong programs and most of them pursued both relays with everything they had. O’Hara, GFS, State College, CB West and LaSalle all had top individuals who scratched from the meet so that they could chase relay glory. Guys like Alex Milligan and Nick Dahl both skipped the individual events to pull double duty on the relays even though they could have potentially been state champions. GFS, State College and CB West also finished among the top 5 teams in both events.

The adjusted schedule definitely made things interesting as well. Because the 4x8 and the mile were so close, no runner attempted the 4x8-mile double in 2016. I think we had one in 2015 and about 5 in 2014. In fact, the number of individual medalists who also participated on either of the two relays was surprisingly small. In the mile, only one of the nine medalists competed on a relay and none of the entrants in the mile ended up leaving the meet with a medal in the relays. In 2014, the top 8 finishers in the mile were all on medal winning relays later in the race.

I also found it interesting that, out of those who participated in the 4x8, only Jake Good of Abington (20th) participated in the open 800 meters. That blows my mind. But to be fair, there were only three overlapping individuals in 2015 (4th, 14th, and 15th). In 2014, it looks like there were about 8 participants in both the open 8 and the 4x8.

So that’s the thing. We are dealing with a combination of issues. From 2014 to 2015, they changed the entries from an absolute standard to a relative standard, therefore potentially limited entries in certain events. The event hit hardest by this cut in 2015 was the 4x800 which went from 23 teams down to 12. Then from 2015 to 2016, they opened up a second distance relay which further limited the individual opportunities distance runners had.

I think part of the problem is, a lot of runners are unselfish. They want to put the team ahead of their own individual goals. I think that’s really cool and really admirable. But what was nice about the old set up was that all the distance relays were at the end of the meet and all the individual events came before it. If you were strong enough, you could take a shot at an individual event and then still come back to help out your teammates (who might not have gotten there without you) in a relay. The doubles were easier because there was extra time in between relays, in large part thanks to the 4x8 giving mile-DMR guys a little extra rest. Now I feel like top guys who have solid relays are going to feel some sort of obligation to do both. Our relays will be stronger, but the individual events are going to make a little sacrifice.

And although the relays will be stronger, I think we all saw that the 4x8-DMR double is a difficult one. O’Hara pulled off a terrific upset at the state championships thanks, at least in part, to their fresh anchor Ryan James. Now O’Hara proved their win was no fluke when they broke 10:20 at the Penn Relays during outdoors, but their indoor state championship was still fairly unprecedented. If you look at the other recent champions you have the following …

2015 – O’Hara, Kevin James 4:12 miler on anchor (state runner up to state record)
2014 – Henderson, Tony Russell 4:09 guy on 1200 (state champ indoors)
2013 – LaSalle, Tom Coyle 4:11 guy on anchor (state champ)
2012 – Great Valley, Ned Willig 4:11/1:51 guy on lead off (state champ indoors)
2011 – Wissahickon, Hong Cho 1:50 guy on lead off (state champ)
2010 – Henderson, Will Kellar 4:12 guy on anchor (state champ)
2009 – Upper Dublin, Mike Palmisano 4:13 guy on anchor (state champ)
2008 – LaSalle, Dan Lowry 4:12 guy on anchor (non-PIAA)

I mean look at that list! The O’Hara guys were awesome, consistent and gutsy on race day. But their best legs don’t boast the same firepower as some of these other schools. And considering they were being chased by a 4:10 guy (Alex Milligan, future state champ) and a 4:08 split guy (Nick Dahl) history told us one of those guys was supposed to win.

But you know what, this is a sample size of just one. Teams pull upsets. Top guys from top teams rotate. A lot of things change from year to year. It’s hard to say that everything is correlated to everything else just from small chunks worth of data.


Let’s see how this rule plays out in 2017.

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