Friday Feature: The Carlisle-Hershey Double Monster Preview Extravaganza

By Jarrett Felix

Well gang, we are entering the biggest regular season weekend of the year. Over the past decade, the Carlisle Invitational and the Foundation Meet at Hershey have been two of the most important and star-studded meets of the regular season. Don’t believe me? Go back and check last year’s Foundation results. The individual champs in each classification (Griffin Mackey, Dominic Hockenbury and Jake Brophy) each went on to win the state championship a little over a month later. And there was plenty of team action as well. In A and AA, the eventual state championship squads (Camp Hill and Dallas) finished 2nd in the meet, gaining the valuable experience they needed to turn the tables on the teams that defeated them by November.

If we take a look at the individual state medalists from AAA last year, 17 of the 25 raced at either Carlisle or Foundation this weekend in 2015. That includes the top 7 overall and 9 of the top 10. In total, 30 of the top 50 finishers from the AAA state championship were active at one of these two meets and out of the top 10 teams, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th all did battle at either Hershey or Carlisle High. What I find interesting, however, is that every year there are a few guys who finish way down in the standings at both invites but then turn things around to grab medals at states. Matt Wisner was one of the biggest movers from a year ago as he finished 46th at Carlisle before earning a top 25 state medal. It speaks to how much things can still change even in a month’s time.

Carlisle
But that won’t stop us (particularly me) from taking a lot away from this weekend. Let’s start with the Carlisle Invitational. Ignoring the out of state schools (who will have plenty of talented dudes mixing it up), the meet is set to feature 5 of my current top 12 ranked runners including the top 4 overall. Noah and Sam Affolder of Carlisle will look to use the home course advantage that has helped Zach Brehm and Kyle Hurston win three championships in recent years. But they will have to battle with the top two returners from the AAA state championship in Josh Hoey and Nathan Henderson. With the talent assembled, I think this race has the chance to be truly special and we might even see a course record fall on a prestigious lay out. The fastest time in recent history in Kyle Dawson’s winning 15:17 back in 2006.

There’s plenty of other intrigue to consider in this one. For starters, Carlisle’s prized top three of the Affolders and senior Isaac Kole, will do battle with an up and coming trio from the same district: Lower Dauphin’s Kyler Shea, Jared Giannascoli and Colton Cassell. The LD boys took 3-4-5 at Big Spring and won the team championship. Carlisle’s Jack Wisner should be the x-factor that the Herd needs to take down LD as he’s a very talented #4 runner who, as just a sophomore, still has the potential to continue improving and challenge Kole for a top 3 position.

A pair of other district 3 schools will be putting their big three on display as Mechanicsburg and Cumberland Valley also toe the line. Mechanicsburg is led by junior Morgan Cupp and senior Alex Tomasko with Andrew Sulon at the 3. CV has Yahya Soliman, Josh Higgins and Andrew Brown as their core. CV’s trio took 2-3-4 in a recent dual meet against State College (behind only defending state medalist Nick Feffer) and acquitted themselves well at PTXC where they finished as one of the top PA teams. Personally, I really like Morgan Cupp as a breakthrough candidate. Every year at this meet there is a junior who breaks through with a time in the 15:40s or even 15:30s.

All in all, District 3 will be well represented. In addition to the squads I’ve mentioned, you also have Cedar Crest (runners up at Big Spring), Hempfield (two time defending district champs, may not race this one all out as they haven’t in the past), Hershey, JP McCaskey, and Manheim Central (monster top 4 performance at Big Spring). Plus we have AA powers Boiling Springs, East Pennsboro and Trinity who were all in the top 4 at districts a year ago behind York Surburban. We will learn a lot about the top schools in the district this weekend, but as much as the pre-race discussion will (and should) focus on the loaded talent out front, the most important part of the race will be in the middle as each team’s #4 and #5 runners fight for position. Who has a tight enough spread to make a name for themselves in this field? Personally, I think Manheim Central has great sleeper potential if they can get a bit more out of their 5. Hershey seems to always have a pack, but will Sullivan or Morris step up as the front runner they will need in this big race? And how will some of the young freshmen and sophomores running in key spots (JP McCaskey, Mechanicsburg) handle the spotlight of a big race?

The district 3 drama should dominate the news, but don’t forget about District One’s powers DT West and Henderson. DT West is the defending state champions and, despite losing 4 of their best 5 guys from last season, they are still contenders again in 2016. They have a strong top three of their own (Shaun Bullock, Ryan Barton and Jake O’Neill have all been ranked on the top 50 at one point this season), but their depth is what will have to carry them in this field. I can’t wait to see them match up with the current state title favorites Carlisle. It’s hard to imagine the Herd losing on their home course, but West is a very intriguing match-up if they can put together a tight spread. The x-factor here will likely be Ryan Barton. He ran terrific at this race last year, but will need to be even better to give the team a low stick in a very crowded field.

Meanwhile, Henderson is now a couple years removed from their back to back state titles in 2012 and 2013. They’ve had some injury concerns through the early season and a hungry group of talented ches-mont squads have been chomping at their heels. They’ve qualified for states every year since 2007 out of the loaded district one, but maybe this is the year they miss out? We will see if Smucker comes back to the line-up, but keep an eye on talented sophomore Calvin Pash as a sleeper in this race.

A few final sleepers include Evan Dorenkamp, a sophomore from Manheim Township who started the year with an 8th place finish at Big Spring. Also watch from Nathan Kaplon of Central Dauphin who finished 10th in the same meet. CD has a rich history of crushing this course. And Austin Maxwell of Kennett is signed up to compete this weekend. He’s a multi time state qualifier and last year finished in the top 50 at the state championships.

Hershey
What’s cool about Hershey is we get to see each of the classifications split out on their own and really get a feel for the state championship. Potentially, we could have the future state champ in each of the three races for the second straight year (although some really talented guys will be racing elsewhere including at least two of my current picks for gold). Let’s start by taking a look at A. Defending champ Griffin Mackey will lead Sewickley Academy up against their district rivals Winchester Thurston. Mackey, who had some injury trouble last year, will look to show just how healthy he is as he battles emerging junior Tristan Forsythe, the winner at RWB. Sewickley, the runner up at states each of the past two seasons, doesn’t have Ben Clouse (last year’s foundation runner-up) or Henry Maekem (freshman state medalist) on the entry list as far as I can tell, so they will be down a couple key pieces. Meanwhile, Winchester Thurston looked fantastic in meet one and have a killer top 4 with Forsythe, Littman, Hay and the consistently improving Pollack.

The defending state champions, Camp Hill, will also be in attendance, led by the surging Ian Gabig. Gabig has been excellent in his first races of the season, but now sees his first big A challenge with Mackey and Forsythe ready to roll. CH will also get a chance to see how they stack up in the team battle after losing their top 2 runners from a year ago.

Here’s my sleeper pick in this one: Ryan Thrush. The 400m state champion (yes, I said 400m state champion) is one of those kids that can do it all. He’s run 48 seconds in the open quarter, but he’s also run 1:52 for 800. Thrush has consistently run XC (and done quite well for himself) and spent a lot of his early years as a 800-1600 guy rather than a 4-8 guy. He defeated Cranberry’s state medalists (Harrison Keenan and Sam Lander, who will both be in this one) at a recent dual meet and will look to prove that was no fluke on the hilly state course.

Other names to watch include sophomore Ethan Knoebel (who picked up a big early season win already) and Luke Guyer of Ridgeway.

The AA race is going to be very entertaining as well. For starters, we have the defending state champions in Dallas. They return everybody from a year ago (and will return practically everyone again next year) and so they come in as big favorites to repeat. But, personally, I think they will be vulnerable at this meet (and perhaps all season). They get a big test from a variety of programs at Foundation as they will battle 2014 state champs York Suburban (hungry for revenge, looked strong at PTXC blue) and perennial top 5 team Grove City. But there’s more. The WPIAL will send Knoch, South Fayette and Greensburg Salem to this meet as well. That’s one heck of a line-up. I know how strong the front running is on those teams’ out west, but a big time invite like this should tell us a lot about how good the packs behind them are.

By the way, don’t sleep on Wyomissing. They are another team with a little bit of pack questions, but they are loaded out front. Led by Joe Cullen (big winner at the Blue race at PTXC) and freshman Ben Kuhn, this team has shown they have real potential to make noise in 2016.

Individually, I expect this race to be wild. There are two sophomores with realistic shots at gold: Mark Brown of Greensburg Salem and Jonah Powell of Grove City. Powell recently won a strong invite over Connor Walsh and now has a chance to beat a ton of Top 50 talent. Brown, who finished a hard fought second to Forsythe, also has an invite win this year and a great stable of teammates looking to make noise at this meet. Personally, I think a couple juniors may end up taking the title as Isaac Davis of Jersey Shore (sub 16 at Big Valley for the win over Nick Feffer) seems like the early favorite, but Joe Cullen is a really intriguing upset pick.

All that said, don’t sleep on the seniors. Aaron Pfiel looked very good at RWB and with his own talented training partner (junior Sam Snodgrass), he’s being pushed in practice to do big things.

Other names to watch include Jack Zardecki of Dallas, Max Freyermuth of Knoch and the York Suburban boys. Also watch for Tyler Lesser form Milton and Sam Lenze from Indiana Area. Defending state medalist Callahan Lennon of HG Prep should also be a factor.

In AAA, we should see an incredibly tight team match up. Cardinal O’Hara, who debuted a loaded top three, with have to prove their pack is good enough to defeat some of the tightest spreads in the state. Most notably, that is North Allegheny who has had under a 30 second spread through the first two meets combined. But that tight spread hasn’t meant much to analysts so far as the Tigers haven’t proven their pack will be far enough up the field to contend. Instead the packs at LaSalle, CB East, Spring Ford and Mount Lebanon have gotten some love.

The team race is incredibly deep and, considering recent years, I predict there is going to be a breakout team. Two years ago it was CB East and last year it was surprise squad Owen J Roberts who finished 4th overall. This year it could potentially be another PAC team as you can’t sleep on Boyertown, led by Dominic Derafelo. They ran very well at PTXC and showed real potential at the Harrier invite as well. North Penn is another team with a strong pack and hopes of climbing the ranks. But the team’s out west might be the best of the rest as Seneca Valley (very capable looking top 3), Pittsburgh Central Catholic (excellent under the radar showing at Boardman) and Allerdice (district 8’s top squad) will all make noise.

But wait, I’ve got more for you. There’s State College (although losing Mitchell Etter will really hurt, they still have a talented core and a top notch front runner), Pennsbury (always competitive in recent years) and Unionville. I’ve practically mentioned the entire race so I should have hit on at least one of the teams who will be the talk of the town when the race concludes.

Individually, the big names will mostly be at Carlisle, but that doesn’t mean this field isn’t loaded. Liam Conway, Ryan James, Nick Feffer and Connor McMenamin are all currently in my top 15. Any of these guys could leave with the title and I’m sure all really want it. Each has something to prove. Conway and McMenamin, despite excellent showings at districts, have yet to earn state medals in XC. Ryan James is fresh off a tough loss at his home course and Feffer wants to show he’s not just an 800 guy and get a huge statement win on the state course.

But lurking just outside, with a real knack for the Hershey hills, is Seth Slavin of Pleasant Valley. He was just outside the medals a year ago as well, but he looked strong at PTXC and is running this meet for the first time. He usually does his best running late in the season, but that won’t stop him from being a prime contender for the win in this field.

As has been mentioned, watch for Matt D’Aquila of Lower Merion to make noise in this race. He had a killer outdoor track season with a breakthrough 3200 at districts, plus he’s a sub 16 guy from Paul Short last year. The LaSalle duo of Paul and Addison will be gunning for O’Hara’s top dogs Inglis and Patrick James in a little PCL rivalry match up. That could push all four guys to big marks. And I should probably throw LaSalle’s Brendan Price in there as well. He’s been a consistent varsity presence who led this squad at this meet last year with one of his best races of the year.

There’s too many sleepers here to name that all, but I will say watch for the top freshman and sophomores in this race. There’s a ton of talent in those classes and it should be fun to see who comes out on top. Fox Chapel’s frosh is Christian Fitch (debuted at sub 17 at RWB) is my name to watch.

Predictions

Foundation
A
1. Forsythe
2. Thrush
3. Mackey
4. Gabig
5. Keenan

1. Winchester Thurston
2. Cranberry
3. Sewickley Academy
4. Penns Valey
5. Elk Lake

AA
1. Davis
2. Pfiel
3. Cullen
4. Powell
5. Brown

1. York Suburban
2. Dallas
3. Wyomissing
4. Grove City
5. Greensburg Salem

AAA
1. Feffer
2. McMenamin
3. Conway
4. James
5. Slavin

1. Spring Ford
2. LaSalle
3. O’Hara
4. North Allegheny
5. Mount Lebanon

Carlisle (PA Only)
1. N Affolder
2. Henderson
3. S Affolder
4. Hoey
5. Shea
6. Cupp
7. Kennedy
8. Kole
9. Dorenkamp
10. Tomasko

1. Carlisle
2. Cumberland Valley
3. DT West
4. Lower Dauphin
5. Hershey

Worth watching: Don’t be surprised if Zach Skolnekovich ends up with the fastest time of the weekend from Sharpsville. If Carlisle isn’t as mind-blowingly fast as I’ve speculated it could be, watch for Skol to potentially push the pace out west.

46 comments:

  1. Foundation: (PA only)
    1. LaSalle
    2. COH
    3. Springford
    4. NA
    5. CBE
    6. Mt Lebanon
    7. NP
    8. Seneca Valley
    9. Boyertown

    Carlisle (PA only)
    1. Carlisle
    2. Downingtown West
    3. Cumberland Valley
    4. Lower Dauphin
    5. Mechanicsburg
    6. WCH

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  2. Foundation: (PA only)
    1. Conway
    2. James
    3. McMenanim
    4. Feffer
    5. Slavin

    Carlisle (PA Only)
    1. N Affolder
    2. Henderson
    3. Hoey
    4. S Affolder
    5. Shea
    6. Smucker
    7. Kennedy

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  3. Camp Hill not projected in top 5 A teams at Hershey?... interesting....

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  4. Affolder, Hoey, Henderson, Affolder, Smucker
    DTW, Carslile, CV
    Conway
    NA, Springford, OH, LS
    Conway, Feffer, McMenamin James
    -JEB

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  5. Live results at http://www.runccrs.com/24th-annual-carlisle-high-school-invitational-92416/

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  6. Affolder 14:47.
    Henderson 14:59.

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  7. Nate Henderson, wow.

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  8. Dwest looked real strong from freshman through varsity. In a state meet with more top team they probably beat Carlisle. They're really only one front runner away from being the favorite but that's probably not happening this year. Not sure why the brothers left but they might be missing that team and coach a little bit on a day like today.

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    1. Carlisle put three in before West's 1st. States ain't Oakbourne relays, or that NJ meet, only 5 will count. JV and freshman don't even run. DTW really needs their front three to get even with Carlisle #3.

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    2. *cough* LaSalle *cough*

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    3. LaSalle is good, but they don't match up well with Carlisle and DTWest.

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    4. Can't say that until they face each other head to head or run on the same course. LaSalle (and COH) run on the tougher courses in PA, giving the impression that they won't match up well. We will see come November.

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    5. I don't think LaSalle can hang with Carlisle or Dwest. LaSalle has no one to match up with Carlisle's top 3, just like DTW. LaSalle also doesn't have tight top 7 DTW has. You're right that may change come November but right now they don't match up well. Plus winning Foundation automatically means you can't win states, everyone knows that.

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    6. Yes I am familiar with the Foundation curse. And yes, LaSalle doesn't have the low sticks Carlisle has. No one does. But if they can pack 1 or 2 in before Kole, and pack 3-7 in tight behind (as they have shown they can do), that's a done deal.

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  9. Carlisle times were off the charts! Legitimate 5k. The weather was perfect just a bit breezy at times. Affolder and Henderson stretched out the pack which followed at a nice pace.

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  10. Legitimate 5 k. Really?! Must be all downhill then.

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    1. You will have to take that up with the Carlisle certification people. No one has ever disputed before when guys were running decent times there.

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    2. It's legit. And revealing.
      Affolders changed everything this year.
      Carslile is #1 in the state...but not by much.
      N. Henderson ran one of the best XC races in PA ever, but finished 2nd.
      Hoey is well behind the top 5.
      Smucker looked good but has yet to break to the next level
      WCH 12th, ouch.
      DTW has a 6-10 pack that NA, COH and LaSalle might struggle with, but lacks the low sticks needed to win states.

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    3. Josh H. will be fine. Late September races don't make the whole season.

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    4. But they do here on etrain!

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  11. So everyone knocked 50 secs off of their times from 2 weeks ago at Kutztown. No chance that this course is short?!

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    1. The heat during that PTXC weekend was some of the worst I've seen in awhile, so it's plausible for a time drop like that

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  12. Same course as it's been. Weather is a huge factor in xc. It was good weather. It's been hot the last few years. The course was in great shape. If Noah ran at Lehigh, he'd run 14:35. He looked great.

    It will be interesting to see how the new States course converts. It seems like it should be faster.

    Carlisle is still the favorite but DTW, Lasalle and O'Hara are real contenders. Don't count out Lower Dauphin. It's the most wide open the state has been in 4-5 years. It's all about timing.

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    1. If Im not mistaken, due to construction the hill at about 1200m in was taken off leaving Carlisle as an almost completely flat course. Please correct me if I am wrong

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    2. No the hill was the same as I ran last year, just came down straight instead of to the right

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    3. If Affolders 14:47 is 14:35 on Lehigh then Hendersons 14:59 is 14:47 on Lehigh. Not sure I believe that. That's faster than Brophy, Russell at districts and Abert at Paul Short. A lot faster. But he hasn't had the chops XC courses or the track yet to back 14:47 on Lehigh. It could be right, but I'm pretty skeptical that maybe Carlisle as laid out yesterday is a little easier than Lehigh.

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    4. Is Henderson running Paul Short? That would answer the question.

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    5. seems like we often forget the Affolder was the #2 ranked running in the nation coming into this year. He should be blowing away these course records (i believe he could break 15 at states if he pushes himself).

      Also Henderson did run that 9:08 his sophomore year and i'm not too surprised he has made this XC leap again. There is competition and hype this season and i think he is much stronger at longer distances (i bet he'll run a great 10k in the next 3-5 years). I also agree with the lower commenter that Josh Hoey will have a stronger showing in the future. I continually stay impressed with Sam Affolders progress. I guess seeing his brother is really helpful to push yourself to breakdown barriers as he has been.

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    6. Tony Rusell ran 8:56 as a senior, Noah Affolder ran 8:47 as a junior (I'm not positive on those times but about that). My point is Noah is way better than Tony was so 14:35 on Lehigh isn't ridiculous.

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    7. Yeah but Russell, Brophy and Abert all went low 9:00 as juniors and didn't go the 14:47 on Lehigh that Henderson would project to if Affolders is 14:35. Henderson's best is 9:08. I'm not saying Henderson isn't much improved or Affolder isn't capable of 14:35 on Lehigh, I'm just saying Henderson 14:47 Lehigh equivalent doesn't really add up.

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    8. Russell in his prime beats Brophy, Abert and Henderson on Lehigh every time. Not Affolder though, that guy is a freak good.

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  13. carlisle course is legit. nice weather and dry footing also contribute.

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  14. What's the Council Rock Invitational course like?

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    1. Very moderate in terms of difficulty. First mile completely flat, the course's "signature hill" was right after the first mile, the second mile is pretty tough with some rolling inclines, and the 3rd mile is essentially the first, nice and flat. Other factors include decent footing, no shade, and other stuff. It's nowhere near as hard as a Hershey or briarwood, but it certainly doesn't run as fast as a Lehigh or Carlisle.

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    2. (assuming the course hasn't changed in the last few years)
      The first 1300m is about an even altitude (there is a slight uphill in the first 400m that then takes a slight downhill soon afterwards) that leads into a 200m straight uphill (known internally as "wood chip") that is about poop-out hills distance and angle. The next mile is winding and out in the open that has a continually slight, uphill/downhill exchange (i would say overall a slightly uphill mile). Then you head down wood chip hill and complete the first loop backwards, so finishing with a downhill 400m (that is preceded by some winding hills).

      Overall, the fastest time of 15:43 by Keith Capecci and Chris Campbell's best time of 15:45 should be taken seriously (both were footlocker finalists). The continuousness of hill running of the course makes it more difficult than may seem, and running a hill like poopout/woodchip in the middle of a race instead of the end makes the back half of the race quite difficult.

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    3. Also wanted to add that FL finalists Casey Comber (15:44) and Ross Wilson (15:50) have also raced here. And Mac Emery's 15:46 time is noteworthy as well.

      I became interested in the exchange between CRN's course and Lehigh, so i looked at the difference between CRN's team performance at their home course and the improvement to Lehigh a month later, and found something pretty fascinating:

      2015:
      CRN Invitational -- 16:57 (Team Average)
      District 1 Meet -- 16:26 (Team Average)
      Spread -- :31 seconds

      2014:
      CRN Invitational -- 17:01
      District 1 Meet -- 16:30
      Spread -- :31 seconds

      2013:
      CRN Invitational -- 16:35
      District 1 Meet -- 16:03
      Spread -- :32 seconds

      2012:
      CRN Invitational -- 16:27
      District 1 Meet -- 15:59
      Spread -- 28 seconds

      2016:
      CRN Invitational -- 16:27
      District 1 Meet -- ??
      Spread: ??

      The average over the past four years is a 31 second drop, which would put CRN at 15:53 team average at Districts. In recent years we've seen the following teams under 16 minute averages:

      2015 -- DTW (15:44)
      2013 -- WCH (15:34)
      2012 -- WCH (15:41), CRN (15:59)
      2008 -- NP (15:47), CRN (15:55)

      after DTW's performance this weekend, i think we will see them and CRN breaking 16 minute team averages this year at districts.

      --ForrestCRN

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  15. Week 4 updated ranking: Last week’s ranking below

    1. Carlisle – Secure a narrow win at home. 1-2 living up to the billing. 3-4 are solid. 5-7 are closing the gap which will be the key.
    2. LaSalle: Nice solid win at Foundation. Top 3 starting to pickup and rest of team running as a pack as they have done in the past
    3. DW – Move up 2 spots. Big showing at Carlisle and battled Carlisle close at their home course. Last year’s experience is helping this team and this team continues to be super deep.
    4. CRN: It appears the top 5 are once again healthy. Solid win at home course. Solid times as well
    5. COH. Top 3 continues to be solid. Runner 5 has tighten that gap but must to better. They don’t have the depth which worries me.
    6. LD: Monster race in Carlisle. I really like their top 3 and 4-5 are solid. I wouldn’t argue if someone picks them in top 5.
    7. NA: Continues to run as a solid pack. Week 4 and I’m still waiting for someone to have a break out race.
    8. SV: I’m liking their top 3. Could easily flip flop places with NA since they beat them.
    9. Hempfield: They have 2 very good runners and runners 3-5 not too far behind.
    10: CV: Didn’t have the race I expected but this team is still talented. Perhaps this was just a bad day.


    Week 3 updated ranking:

    1. Carlisle - move up a spot. Top 4 is solid. The key is how 5-6 progress and it appears they have done that
    2 COH. Top 3 solid. There is a big gap with runner 5 which is concerning but he has the ability to run much better.
    3. LaSalle: Dropped 2 spots. 1st big race and top 3 running slower than expected. I expect them to pick up and 4-7 to continue to run as a pack
    4. CRN: Missing some key members in Briarwood. Hopefully, no injuries.
    5. DW: It appears last year's experience is helping this team. Super deep
    6. CV: Liking this team. Can make a case to have them in the top 5
    7. NA: This being NA I was expecting someone to step up by week 3. It has not happened.
    8: Springford: I'm thinking they should be rank higher. This is a team to watch out for.
    9. CBE: Continues to run well week after week.

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  16. CV always does good in post-season so i wouldn't count them out

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    1. I agree. Honestly, many of these teams are so evenly match it's so hard to predict. Unlike past years where we had a dominant team, any one to the top 10 teams can take the title. I remember the 2011 NP team that unexpected won the title. I feel that even teams like CBW,Springford, Mechanicsville, Mt. Labanon have a good chance if they are ON that day.

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  17. CV's number 5 runner also didn't run at Carlisle either so they should be better in future meets

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    1. I had them in the top 10 this week not knowing runner 5 did not run this weekend. They are indeed talented. I was particularly impressed with what I saw in PTXC. Hopefully, #5 is not injured.

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  18. Can someone fill me in as to why Josh Hoey is a BS again?

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    1. Since no one in the know has ever said anything publicly, it's all speculation, and probably a story.

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    2. His family is rich and they probably just want private school.

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