Projected State Cut Offs

These are my projections with scratches and conversions. Let me know if you guys catch any errors, repeats or have questions about my thinking behind the scratches. Note that this is just as estimate. I'm usually close but I never go 100% with accuracy. So stay tuned for the actual sheet that is sure to come out soon.

4x800m (16 Teams, SQG – 8:19.66, ET Projection – 8:14.50)

School
Time
Date
w/ Conv
A/B
1
1
GFS
7:54.68B
11-Feb
7:54.68'
A
2
2
Pennsbury
7:57.11B
11-Feb
7:57.11'
A
3
3
State College
7:58.55B
11-Feb
7:58.55'
A
4
4
Carlisle
8:01.19'
15-Jan
7:58.79'
B*
5
5
CB West
8:05.34'
10-Feb
8:02.94'
A
6
6
LaSalle
8:06.05'
4-Feb
8:03.65'
A
7
7
CB East
8:09.03'
18-Feb
8:06.63'
A
8
8
Abington
8:07.79B
29-Dec
8:07.79'
A
9
9
Penn Wood
8:08.31B
4-Feb
8:08.31'
A
10
10
Seneca Valley
8:09.94O
18-Feb
8:09.94'
A
11
11
O'Hara
8:13.48'
4-Feb
8:11.08'
A
12
12
North Penn
8:13.99'
10-Feb
8:11.59'
A*
13
13
CR South
8:14.40'
10-Feb
8:12.00'
A
14
14
Shanahan
8:11.8hB
6-Feb
8:12.04'
B*
15
15
Radnor
8:16.78'
18-Feb
8:14.38'
A
16
16
Bensalem
8:16.90'
18-Feb
8:14.50'
A
17
OVER
DT East
8:16.95'
18-Feb
8:14.55'
A
18
OVER
Boyertown
8:17.11'
10-Feb
8:14.71'
A
19
OVER
DT West
8:17.39'
18-Feb
8:14.99'
A*
20
OVER
Mount Lebanon
8:16.39O
18-Feb
8:16.39'
A
21
OVER
Wissahickon
8:19.97'
10-Feb
8:17.57'
A*
22
OVER
Methacton
8:20.44'
18-Feb
8:18.04'
A
23
OVER
Cheltenham
8:18.56B
28-Jan
8:18.56'
A*
24
OVER
Ephrata
8:21.04'
4-Feb
8:18.64'
B*
25
OVER
Cumber Valley
8:21.94'
28-Jan
8:19.54'
A


History says we can expect little to no scratching for this one. So for that reason, I’m assuming everybody is entering a team and only the top 16 teams will be accepted. That being said, there’s some times that I think could run “B” squads and, therefore, may end up scratching. That would be Bishop Shanahan and O’Hara.

The #16 team is Bensalem, who dropped an 8:16.90 at Meet of Champs to pull out a clutch qualifying spot by just 0.05 seconds over DT East. I’m assuming that with 16 teams now being accepted, we will have two heats of this event. So that may mean the PTFCA accepts a couple extra teams. Personally, I think DT East, Boyertown and DT West could/should get in as they are all very close between 8:14.55 and 8:14.99. A 19 team final with one heat of 9 and one of 10 would be perfectly cool with me. Stick 10 in the fast heat and have the cut off an 8:10 to be a fast heat team.

That makes sense to me, but let’s see how it plays out.

Since 25 teams have the SQG, you could maybe have a two heat final with 12/13 in each heat and let everybody in. Would be nice to see Cumberland Valley and Ephrata get a shot. But I think 25 is just too big of a number for the PTFCA to do it.

Mile (20 Individuals, SQG – 4:31.73, Etrain Projected Cut Off – 4:30.77)

Name
School
Time
Date
w/ Conv
Scratch?
1
1
Noah
Affolder
Carlisle
4:07.24B
11-Feb
4:07.24'
N
2
Josh
Hoey
Shanahan
4:09.26B
28-Jan
4:09.26'
Y
3
2
Sam
Affolder
Carlisle
4:13.45B
11-Feb
4:13.45'
N
4
Nick
Dahl
G Friends
4:14.68B
28-Jan
4:14.68'
Y
5
3
Tristan
Forsythe
W Thurston
4:17.13B
11-Feb
4:17.13'
6
Evan
Addison
LaSalle
4:19.25B
28-Jan
4:19.25'
Y
7
4
Phoenix
Myers
Seneca
4:18.96*O
12-Feb
4:20.56'
8
Nate
Henderson
McCaskey
4:20.05*
28-Jan
4:20.95'
Y
9
5
Brandon
Hontz
WC Rustin
4:23.40'
11-Feb
4:22.70'
10
6
Liam
Conway
OJ Roberts
4:23.54B
11-Jan
4:23.54'
11
7
James
Abrahams
Haverford
4:23.62B
28-Jan
4:23.62'
12
Ryan
James
O'Hara
4:24.71B
28-Jan
4:24.71'
Y
13
8
Eric
Kennedy
Kiski
4:23.14*O
12-Feb
4:24.74'
14
Joe
Cullen
Wyomissing
4:26.20'
11-Feb
4:25.50'
Y
15
Brendan
Price
LaSalle
4:25.55B
28-Jan
4:25.55'
Y
16
Matt
Eissler
Pennridge
4:25.75B
28-Jan
4:25.75'
Y
17
Gavin
Inglis
O'Hara
4:26.47'
12-Feb
4:25.77'
Y
18
9
Sam
Snodgrass
S Fayette
4:26.00O
18-Feb
4:26.00'
19
10
Josh
Higgins
C Valley
4:25.9HB
16-Feb
4:26.14'
20
Connor
McMenamin
Souderton
4:26.86'
11-Feb
4:26.16'
Y
21
11
Joseph
Cardie
Springfield
4:26.24B
7-Jan
4:26.24'
22
12
Matt
Scarpill
CB South
4:26.94'
10-Feb
4:26.24'
23
Spencer
Smucker
Henderson
4:26.57B
28-Jan
4:26.57'
Y
24
13
Colin
Mihalak
Coatesville
4:27.29'
18-Feb
4:26.59'
25
Seth
Slavin
PleasValley
4:26.04*B
7-Jan
4:27.64'
Y
26
Patrick
James
O'Hara
4:28.46'
11-Feb
4:27.76'
Y
27
Noah
Beveridge
Butler
4:26.19*A
21-Jan
4:27.79'
Y
28
Ben
Bumgarner
Waynesburg
4:26.33*Y
21-Jan
4:27.93'
Y
29
Ryan
Campbell
CR North
4:28.70'
10-Feb
4:28.00'
Y
30
Will
Griffen
Cheltenham
4:28.32B
29-Dec
4:28.32'
Y
31
14
Sam
Owori
S Valley
4:28.42O
28-Jan
4:28.42'
32
15
Mark
Brown
G Salem
4:27.13*O
12-Feb
4:28.73'
N
33
16
Eric
Kersten
Pennsbury
4:28.86B
7-Jan
4:28.86'
N
34
17
Sean
Brown
RCatholic
4:29.63'
18-Feb
4:28.93'
35
Jed
Scratchard
Pennsbury
4:29.65'
14-Jan
4:28.95'
Y
36
Hudson
Delisle
Quakertown
4:29.66B
7-Jan
4:29.66'
Y
37
Rusty
Kujdych
Neshaminy
4:30.44'
30-Dec
4:29.74'
Y
38
Matt
D'Aquila
L Merion
4:30.49'
10-Feb
4:29.79'
Y
39
18
Callahan
Lennon
HG Prep
4:30.16B
28-Jan
4:30.16'
N
40
Avery
Lederer
Penncrest
4:30.90'
10-Feb
4:30.20'
Y
41
Brendan
O'Toole
North Penn
4:30.44B
7-Jan
4:30.33'
Y
42
19
Ryan
Barton
DT West
4:30.62B
21-Jan
4:30.62'
N
43
20
Jacob
Shulte
Bishop McCourt
4:29.17*Y
18-Feb
4:30.77'
44
Bryan
Keller
CR North
4:31.07B
28-Jan
4:31.07'
Y
45
OVER
Stephen
Gray
S Lehigh
4:29.56*B
7-Jan
4:31.16'
46
Sam
Early
CR North
4:32.24'
18-Feb
4:31.54'
Y
47
OVER
Jarrett
Boyd
Freedom
4:31.54O
18-Feb
4:31.54'
48
OVER
Kevin
Dineen
HG Prep
4:31.70B
28-Jan
4:31.70'
N
49
OVER
Cameron
Binda
Greens Salem
4:30.25*Y
7-Jan
4:31.85'
50
OVER
Thomas
Matsumura
S Lehigh
4:31.91B
29-Dec
4:31.91'
N
51
Jack
Downing
Henderson
4:31.94B
28-Jan
4:31.94'
Y
52
OVER
Matt
O'Neill
Norwin
4:30.45*B
11-Feb
4:32.05'
53
OVER
Jonah
Powell
Grove City
4:30.76*Y
18-Feb
4:32.36'
54
OVER
Noah
Curtin
Mercyhurst
4:32.65O
18-Feb
4:32.65'
55
OVER
Kyle
Burke
Ab Heights
4:33.58'
11-Feb
4:32.88'


Mile is going to be interesting because of all the potential for relay scratches, 800 scratches and 3k scratches. I’ve got a ton of guys scratching out, but you will have to look and see for yourself whether you agree with each of them. This spot moves back and forth a lot during the season. But it appears some guys with the SQG will end up at home. However, coaches make sure you enter everybody who is close. You never know.

800m (24 Individuals, SQG – 2:00.13, Etrain Projected Cut Off – 1:59.10)

Overall
Proj
Name
School
Time
Date
w/ Conv
Scrath?
1
Noah
Affolder
Carlisle
1:54.72'
15-Jan
1:54.12'
Y
2
1
Ryan
Thrush
Brookville
1:54.43O
4-Feb
1:54.43'
3
2
Josh
Hoey
Bishop Shanahan
1:54.50B
7-Jan
1:54.50'
N
4
3
Sam
Affolder
Carlisle
1:56.32'
28-Jan
1:55.72'
N
5
4
Nick
Wagner
Penn Trafford
1:56.38B
7-Jan
1:56.38'
6
5
Joe
Cullen
Wyomissing
1:56.51B
21-Jan
1:56.51'
7
Jake
Claricurzio
CB West
1:57.35'
4-Feb
1:56.75'
Y
8
6
Peter
Cooke
Radnor
1:56.87B
7-Jan
1:56.87'
9
7
Matt
Eissler
Pennridge
1:56.89B
7-Jan
1:56.89'
10
8
Collin
Ebling
Pottsville
1:56.92B
7-Jan
1:56.92'
11
9
Hudson
Delisle
Quakertown
1:57.68'
4-Feb
1:57.08'
12
10
Luke
Everidge
Central Dauphin East
1:57.18B
28-Jan
1:57.18'
13
11
Christopher
Cameron
Wissahickon
1:57.37B
28-Jan
1:57.37'
14
12
Liam
Conway
Owen J Roberts
1:57.44B
28-Jan
1:57.44'
15
Ata
Shahideh
CB East
1:58.09'
4-Feb
1:57.49'
Y
16
13
Marc
Motter
CB East
1:57.55B
28-Jan
1:57.55'
N
17
14
Jed
Scratchard
Pennsbury
1:57.60B
28-Jan
1:57.60'
N
18
Nick
Feffer
State College
1:58.43'
28-Jan
1:57.83'
Y
19
Brandon
Hontz
West Chester Rustin
1:58.52'
10-Jan
1:57.92'
Y
20
15
Derek
Jones
Cathedral Prep
1:57.92O
2-Feb
1:57.92'
21
16
Kamil
Jihad
Neumann Goretti
1:58.61'
28-Jan
1:58.01'
22
17
Isaiah
Bailey
Penn Hills
1:58.15O
18-Feb
1:58.15'
23
18
Matt
Kraus
William Tennent
1:58.77'
18-Feb
1:58.17'
24
19
Frankie
King
Greensburg Salem
1:58.38O
18-Feb
1:58.38'
25
20
Logan
Yoquinto
Bishop Shanahan
1:58.41B
28-Jan
1:58.41'
N
26
21
Dennis
Manyeah
Penn Wood
1:59.12'
10-Feb
1:58.52'
N
27
22
Austin
Padmore
Milton Hershey
1:59.20'
28-Jan
1:58.60'
28
23
Daniel
Santiago
North Penn
1:58.75B
7-Jan
1:58.75'
29
Bryan
Keller
CR North
1:59.38'
10-Feb
1:58.78'
Y
30
24
Dave
Whitfield
Bonner
1:59.10B
28-Jan
1:59.10'
31
OVER
Robert
Dupell
St. Joe's Prep
1:59.16B
28-Jan
1:59.16'
N
32
OVER
Derin
Klick
Lebanon
1:59.25B
7-Jan
1:59.25'
33
OVER
Aqeel
Bacchus
Bensalem
2:00.04'
21-Jan
1:59.44'
34
OVER
Dylan
Binda
Greensburg Salem
1:59.55O
12-Feb
1:59.55'
35
OVER
Seth
Phillips
Mifflin County
1:59.4hB
19-Jan
1:59.64'
36
OVER
Jarnail
Dhillon
Upper Darby
1:59.71B
28-Jan
1:59.71'
37
Nathan
Henderson
JP McCaskey
2:00.40'
28-Jan
1:59.80'
Y
38
OVER
Zach
Ehling
North Allegheny
1:59.81O
14-Jan
1:59.81'
39
OVER
Calvin
Willie
St Joe's Prep
2:00.43'
4-Feb
1:59.83'
40
OVER
Austin
Howell
Pennridge
1:59.91B
28-Jan
1:59.91'
41
OVER
Donovan
Myers
Seneca
1:59.95O
7-Jan
1:59.95'
42
OVER
Brett
Zatlin
Great Valley
2:00.13B
21-Jan
2:00.13'
43
OVER
Michael
Clark
Methacton
2:00.13B
28-Jan
2:00.13'
44
OVER
Javier
Linares
Pennsbury
2:01.10'
10-Feb
2:00.50'
N

The 800 is crowded man. I feel bad. There’s so many fast guys and not only are they going to have sweat out the weekend, but they are also going to have to fight it out in some of the slow heats. This is going to be a crazy event come states. The big scratches to keep an eye on are the Affolders. No clue what they are doing. Claricurzio is another one up in the air. Pennsbury making it in for the DMR could lead to another scratch. I think the cut off ends up right around 1:59 flat but no guarantees.

3,000m (12 Entries, SQG – 8:59.43, Etrian Projected Cut Off – 8:57.30)

Name
School
Time
Date
w/ Conv
Scratch?
1
Nick
Dahl
GFS
8:30.62B
21-Jan
8:30.62'
Y
2
1
Ben
Bumgarner
Waynesburg Central
9:16.14*O
12-Feb
8:41.14'
3
2
Nathan
Henderson
JP McCaskey
8:43.79'
11-Feb
8:42.99'
4
3
Rusty
Kujdych
Neshaminy
8:44.73'
7-Jan
8:43.93'
N
5
Evan
Addison
LaSalle
8:46.99'
7-Jan
8:46.19'
Y
6
4
Connor
McMenamin
Souderton
8:48.00'
18-Feb
8:47.20'
7
5
Seth
Slavin
Pleasant Valley
9:28.05"B
28-Jan
8:50.05'
8
6
Zach
Lefever
Ephrata
8:51.35'
11-Feb
8:50.55'
9
Will
Griffen
Cheltenham
9:30.41"B
28-Jan
8:52.41'
Y
10
7
Aaron
Pfeil
South Fayette
8:52.92O
18-Feb
8:52.92'
11
Ryan
Campbell
CR North
9:31.23"B
28-Jan
8:53.23'
Y
12
8
Noah
Beveridge
Butler
8:56.20O
14-Jan
8:56.20'
13
9
Sean
Rahill
William Tennent
8:57.30'
4-Feb
8:56.50'
14
10
Avery
Lederer
Penncrest
9:35.08"B
21-Jan
8:57.08'
15
Matt
D'Aquila
Lower Merion
9:35.14"B
28-Jan
8:57.14'
Y
16
11
Matt
Scarpill
CB South
8:58.00'
18-Feb
8:57.20'
17
Gavin
Inglis
O'Hara
8:58.09'
13-Jan
8:57.29'
Y
18
12
Brendan
O'Toole
North Penn
8:58.10'
4-Feb
8:57.30'
19
OVER
Ben
Bunch
CB West
8:58.72'
4-Feb
8:57.92'
N
20
OVER
Carlos
Shultz
Conestoga
8:59.39'
11-Feb
8:58.59'
21
OVER
David
Haines
North Pocono
8:59.43'
28-Jan
8:58.63'
22
OVER
Tyler
Rollins
DT West
8:59.67'
18-Feb
8:58.87'
23
OVER
Brian
Mass
CB West
8:59.68'
10-Feb
8:58.88'
N
24
Ryan
James
O'Hara
8:59.71'
13-Jan
8:58.91'
Y
25
OVER
Eric
Kersten
Pennsbury
9:00.62'
4-Feb
8:59.82'
N

The 3k is one of the few individual events that the PTFCA sometimes extends to let other guys in. We do have a couple guys currently left out who have hit the SQG. Some of these guys may scratch as well (which CB West guys are on the DMR? I’m not sure either are currently) so there’s a very outside chance they put in all the SQG guys. However, like I’ve said with the other events don’t get your hopes up.

The big event that should help with scratches is the DMR. Lots of top guys here overlap with the DMR. That opens the door a bit for people to squeak in.

DMR (12 Teams, SQG – 10:40.73, Etrain Projected Cut Off – 10:44.61)

School
Time
Date
w/ Conv
A/B
1
1
Carlisle
10:21.45'
15-Jan
10:18.95'
A*
2
2
GFS
10:23.15B
14-Jan
10:23.15'
A
3
3
O'Hara
10:33.65'
18-Feb
10:31.15'
A
4
4
CB West
10:34.17'
18-Feb
10:31.67'
A
5
5
CR North
10:38.19'
4-Feb
10:35.69'
A
6
6
WC Henderson
10:36.1hB
6-Feb
10:36.34'
A
7
7
State College
10:36.3HB
16-Feb
10:36.54'
A
8
8
LaSalle
10:39.87'
18-Feb
10:37.37'
A
9
9
Lower Merion
10:38.0hB
6-Feb
10:38.24'
A
10
10
DT West
10:40.60B
20-Jan
10:40.60'
A
11
11
W Chester Rustin
10:43.46'
18-Feb
10:40.96'
A
12
12
Cheltenham
10:47.11'
18-Feb
10:44.61'
A
13
OVER
Pennsbury
10:45.14B
7-Jan
10:45.14'
A
14
OVER
Holy Ghost Prep
10:47.28B
29-Dec
10:47.28'
A
15
OVER
Boyertown
10:51.49'
18-Feb
10:48.99'
A
16
OVER
CB East
10:51.78'
10-Feb
10:49.28'
A*
17
OVER
Seneca Valley
10:52.72O
11-Feb
10:52.72'
A
18
OVER
Quakertown
11:00.65'
10-Feb
10:58.15'
A
19
OVER
North Penn
11:01.44'
14-Jan
10:58.94'
A*
20
OVER
Father Judge
11:02.08'
12-Feb
10:59.58'
A
21
OVER
Haverford
11:02.43'
31-Jan
10:59.93'
A


As expected, the meet of champs shook up the state qualifying picture. A few teams better their marks and others broke into the mix. In total, half of the qualifying teams ran the meet of champs including the last 4 teams to get into the meet. Pennsbury, who didn’t run at MoCs, appears to now be sitting on the outside looking in at the 13 spot. However, they and Holy Ghost Prep both have outside shots of getting into the state meet if they extend the field out to the 13-14 spots like they have in the past. As with the 4x8, I expect no teams here to scratch. And honestly, we are probably going to see most if not all of these team’s absolute “A” squads on race day.


Shout out to Boyertown for an awesome DMR performance at Meet of Champs. They sit at 15 and 18 right now in the relays, just barely out of both races. I hope they can get into one of these meets as they’ve been a terrific team this year.

7 comments:

  1. What is the rule on "B" team in relays and can you post a link to it if you can find it?

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    1. I have not seen a rule about this on ptfca.org. I think they posted something last year but don't know the exact phrasing. Hopefully there's a coach out there who can provide insight

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    2. The comments on this post last year discuss the "B" team language from a year ago: http://therealtrain.blogspot.com/2016/02/indoor-state-entry-projections.html

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  2. What's the reasoning on why nick feffer would scratch ?

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    1. His team qualified in the DMR on Thursday and I think that will pull him away from the 800 so he can be fresher. He has "only" run 1:58 so he wouldn't be in the fast heat for the 8. He also is probably on the SC 4x4. Seems like a team player and probably will do same triple Milligan did last year. That's my thinking but considering his ability, he's a medal threat if he doesn't scratch.

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  3. Results from MOC says Rustin ran 10:43 but they don't appear in the race video. This will move up Pennsbury into the accepted spot

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    1. I believe they were in the slower section of the two. Haven't seen the videos but that's what it looked like from results

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