4x800m Recap

by Jarrett Felix

Heat 1
As has been mentioned, this was a big chance for Bishop Shanahan to get some points on the board early and set the tone for a run at the state championship. However, the Shanahan boys decided not to run their star 800 runner and future state champ, Josh Hoey, on the relay. Instead, it was freshman Jonah Hoey who took those honors. Now it's a very bold move to lead off a freshman at the state championship, but it paid off as Jonah split about 1:59.8 and handed off in the lead group. Leading the way was Dennis Manyeah of Penn Wood, who has been a stable as the lead off leg for Penn Wood each of the past three seasons. Also in the top group was what looked to be Sam Owori of Seneca Valley. Owori, just a sophomore, appeared to also run under 2 minutes and set up SV at the front of the field.

The big movers on the second leg were CR South. One of my favorite teams on paper entering the meet, South's second leg (don't know who it was) ran a beautiful race to bring the team from mid pack all the way through to a strong lead. I estimated the split in the low 1:56s from my vantage point in the video. Whoever that was, it was a big time split.

Although South had an advantage, their opposition fought back on the third leg. Still in the lead group were Penn Wood, North Penn, Seneca Valley and Bishop Shanahan. They jockeyed through to the anchors in a pretty tight pack. CR South still held the edge on the final exchange, but the always dangerous North Penn squad was lurking nearby. Shanahan got the baton in 5th.

North Penn moved up into the lead on lap one of the anchor leg, I'm assuming Daniel Santiago was the man doing the carry, but shortly after BS's Logan Yoquinto made a strong bid for the lead. From here, Yoquinto powered around the track and opened up an advantage. He stopped the clock right about 8 minutes and split around 1:56 anchor carry. I believe this was Logan's first race since he suffered an injury at the last chance meet that required him to leave the meet in an ambulance. North Penn fought well and came up about a second behind in 8:01. Historically speaking, both those times are medal worthy every year. However, with the 4x8 first in the order and two heats of talented relays, trends were in jeopardy.

Heat 2
The boys from Carlisle were looking for their own statement race to set the tone for the day. Both Sam and Noah Affolder were featured on the for the Herd along with what appeared to be Jack Wisner (2nd leg) and Isaac Kole (3rd leg). Those four runners all finished in the top 40 at this past year's XC state championships.

But Germantown Friends came in on a mission. Having scratched from the individuals, Nick Dahl put everything he could into his lead off carry. For the second straight year, Dahl led off the 4x8 and went to the front, ready to hammer the pace. Sam Affolder of Carlisle was the best bet to give chase with CB West, CB East, State College and Abington all also in the picture. Dahl handed off around 1:54 in the lead with Affolder roughly a second back. The next pack appeared to come through in a bunch around 1:57.

With the lead, GFS's second leg went to work on trying to hold the advantage. Meanwhile, Carlisle's #2, Jack Wisner, sat back a bit. Similar to the way his brother races, it appears Jack likes to run an even, steady pace. However, that strategy made things tricky as the field pushed valiantly to try and get back to the lead. Most notably, CB West's second leg made an impressive surge. Ultimately, Wisner surged at the perfect time and executed with a great kick to run around 1:57 high by my watch and give his team the lead.

From here, Isaac Kole had the lonely job of hammering the pace from the lead. CB West and GFS were in contention for second, but Carlisle had a clear advantage. Kole didn't settle in and did his best to keep the pace honest and open up a lead to give Noah Affolder some cushion at the front and allow him to save some energy. However, GFS's 3rd leg was ready for the challenge. He split about 1:56 to move GFS into contention and Jonnie Plass started his anchor leg by shooting to the front.

Meanwhile, back in the pack it apeared that Joey Feffer from State College made a really nice surge to put his squad in contention with CB West. Those two teams had separated a bit from Pennsbury, CB East and Abington.

Back to the top group. Jonnie Plass fearlessly shot out to a fast start against Noah, making things a little tricky for the super star from Carlisle. However, Noah was able to settle into the pace and take over on the second lap. From here, Noah glided along and broke away from Plass with a strong close. The race in hand, Noah was able to look around on the final straightaway and coast in across the line in roughly a 1:54 split. Plass ran around 1:55 high by my watch and put up a great fight in his own right.

Even with the easing, Carlisle was able to run 7:45.86, the 2nd fastest time in meet history. GFS's 7:47 ranks in the top 4 for the meet, with only 2011 being better. In the fight for 3rd, Jake Claricurzio of CB West and Nick Feffer of State College went all the way to the line, both runners sprinting like mad men on the final straightaway. In the end, Claricurzio was just barely able to out lean Feffer 7:51.22 to 7:51.31.

If you go back and look, this is the third straight state championship anchor that Claricurzio has ended on a photofinish. Last year, he had two incredibly tight finishes with Abington's Keion Broadus (Jake won indoors, Broadus outdoors). Now he gets another tight one with Feffer. These two may see each other again outdoors with a lot more pressure surrounding them as GFS will be back in the independent league and Carlisle will potentially invest more in the individual events like the 3200, which comes before the 4x8 at Shippensburg.

5 Biggest Takeaways
I gave some flash takeaways on the meet in general, but having actually watched the two heats now, I've got a bit more to say.

#1 - Carlisle could have had the state record if that was the goal. Obviously, they were after the much more coveted team title so Noah slowed up, but seeing as they were just 0.8 second away from the record and Noah very noticeably eased up to save energy, this 7:45.86 is even more impressive than I initially thought. And of course, we have to give credit to Wisner and Kole who provided splits well under 2 minutes and both handed off in first place during their legs, handling high pressure situations well. How fast could these guys run in a pushed race this spring? We may never find out as the DMR is a much bigger draw, but all the makings of a great team.

#2 - The 4x8 continues to get faster. This year it took 8:00.72 to medal. That's crazy for the indoor state meet, but the new order and the fact that there are two heats now have made this race really exciting. I mean, 7:51 ended up 4th this year. That's pretty unprecedented as well. Worth noting, under last year's qualifying system, Shanahan would not have made the 4x8. But with the expansion to 16, they get in and get 6th. Maybe a sign to pump this thing up to 20 next year? I would love to see it.

#3 - Although there were two relatively new 4x8 squads at the top (has district 3 ever had the 4x8 indoor state champs before?), the traditional powerhouses still peppered the top. 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th and 9th were all state champions during the past decade of running. Regardless of what these programs graduate, they always seem to pull together the pieces to put together a strong relay.

#4 - Mike Kolor and Jake Brophy were two of the biggest names around last year. However, without their star runners, both programs still pulled out phenomenal performances. Seneca Valley finished 10th overall in 8:04, a strong showing for them although they were probably hoping to get in the medals. Then CB East finished 7th overall in 8 flat. That's one of their fastest times in school history and a 9 second improvement on their time from meet of champions.

#5 - Outdoors is going to be really interesting. How many of these teams will actually want to load up a 4x8? I'd be surprised if Carlisle does it again as the 32-4x8 double seems tricky (although is there anything Noah Affolder can't do?) and I think priorities may end up being different. GFS moves back to the independent league after this as well. So your top teams are gone.

CB West will almost certainly load up. As with State College, Pennsbury, CB East, Abington and North Penn. Shanahan could have a really good team if they had Josh Hoey to the picture and remove their slowest leg (we are talking at least a 10 second swing based on times run this weekend). And they may need the extra 4x8 points this spring when the event schedule gets switched up.

Personally, I still really like what I saw from CR South. They've got strong upside. CR North could switch their focus from DMR to 4x8 come spring (or maybe individual events will be the focus). Lots of good teams to contend, but remember a maximum of just 8 can come out of District One. That District had 9 of the 17 state qualifiers this winter and the first six teams to miss out as well.

Also never count out Cumberland Valley. Always a 4x8 powerhouse to keep an eye on.

23 comments:

  1. How do you feel about teams like Radnor and Ohara running "B" teams and finishing well below the SQG when 9 teams with a qualifying time who might have run "A" squads were left out?

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    1. I think those coaches were selfish and exploited the system thereby denying other more deserving athletes their chance at the states experience. They'll find a way to justify it but everyone knows what they did.

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    2. I have a bit of a long winded answer here as this is something I've feared with the new rules from my first posts about it (and this isn't the first year we've had these sort of issues come up).

      Am I disappointed that teams like Boyertown and DT East who would have run all out in this relay didn't get to? Definitely. I'm sad that coaches entered "B" squads. But I'm also positive that if I was a coach, I would do the same thing. Because as a coach, your allegiances aren't to any other school or team beside your own and it's in my best interest to get as many of my hardworking athletes to states as possible for a variety of reasons.

      So, in my opinion, we need to rethink the rule. I think maybe a substitution rule of some sort would help. I think for NCAAs you can only switch out a max of two of the people who ran on the qualifying team. It makes it a little more complicated for the PTFCA because they need to know who was on all the qualifying teams, but it's at least nice to have some structure to control for these things.

      What do you think?

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    3. Using your varsity to get your JV team into states is about as bush league as it gets. I’d be embarrassed for my team if I had a coach who pulled that.

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    4. Radnor ran 3 out of 4 of their varsity runners. Neither of those teams used the system to get their "JV" runners in.

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    5. Radnor is not a state qualifying relay without Cooke running as seen by the result. I know this would be hard to track but I think qualifying should be done by the actual configuration of the relay not the way it is done now where the school qualifies and then can run anybody they want.

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    6. Radnor had the capability to run under 8:20 without Cooke.

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    7. Nobody broke any rules but it sure seems like something is broke. The only way to stop some coaches from pulling those kinds of shenanigans is to change the rule and require that they run the exact team that qualified. It’s a long season so you can qualify as many teams with different combinations of runners as you like, but you can only enter one group that qualified and those four that are entered have to be the four to compete at states. No exceptions.

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    8. So what if a team is trying to pull off a team championship and maybe they have a 5th or 6th guys capable of getting them a decent split that will help to rest their #1 or #2 guy for an individual event? How come nobody cares about that but when a team that has no chance of medaling anyway does it it's a problem?

      Silly argument. The coach does whatever they feel is best for their team and doesn't have to answer to anyone else. So what if Radnor or O'Hara ran a slower team? Did it hurt anyone? If you wanted to see Boyertown or DEast so bad maybe they should've run faster to get in.

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    9. ^ It's not a silly argument. In your example the coach with several options would actually have to coach and get a team qualified during the season without their #1 and #2 guy who are running individual events.

      And yes, the teams that were bumped for O'Hara and Radnors B squads were hurt. Those guys on the other teams earned the right to compete at states over the teams that dropped their top guys and fielded a squad that went 8:28 at a state championship.

      Most coaches consider the integrity of the sport to be best for their team and thank goodness they do, that's why there's such great comradery and respect among competitors and so little controversy in distance running like there is in other sports.

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    10. This just basically goes back to the coaches allegiances aren't to any other school or team beside their own. Sure you may think this is selfish but I do not. If you were in the situation with kids you have been coaching for years, I would bet anything everyone would do the same thing and submit the time to get in. So I see nothing wrong with the situation and I am happy for the O'Hara and Radnor runners got to experience the state meet.

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    11. Most runners probably wouldn't even want to run at states when they knew they didn't earn it, and that they took someone else's spot because of coaches maneuvering.

      Look at GFS. Like most qualifying teams they did it right and they entered the team that earned their way in to states. Their "allegiance" was to the sport. They're an independent league team that only gets one shot a year to compete at PA states and that's only during indoor. Dahl would have had a great chance to be able to say for the rest of his life that he was a PA state champion had he run the 3000 or maybe even the mile where Affolder was on the double. He could have done that and GFS could have fielded a B team in two relays under the current rules. But they wanted all their guys to have the experience and be competitive as a team and Dahl gave up individual glory. That is integrity.

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    12. Those athletes did earn it. I also have never met a athlete who has not wanted to go to states. It is completely different with Dahl when they are title contenders in a relay compared to when a slower relay that has no chance of getting a medal has a member who could medal at states individually.

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    13. For the record, GFS has literally done the exact thing we are discussing regarding "B" squads (more than once I believe). Most notably, in 2008 the team ran a completely different squad in the DMR than the one that qualified (only used to take the top 10 teams). However, the B squad move paid off when GFS medaled in the relay anyway. Food for thought.

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    14. 2008? No offense Etrain but that’s really a stretch. By bringing up that school at that time it sounds like you’re suggesting their actions 2017 States are somehow tainted by what went down a decade ago, as if GFS has skeletons in the closest on this issue? The GFS runners from Saturday were what, 8 or 9 years old then? How about the coach, was it the same guy in 2008? That’s doesn’t seem like a fair defense of 2017 B squads at states.

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    15. I don't like it but COH and Radnor didn't break the rules (it really stinks for other teams though). Maybe if the tables are turned outdoors and COH and Radnor gets screwed over, we can call it even.

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    16. I'm merely pointing out that if you look enough, every team does this sort of thing at some point.

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    17. No problem Jarrett. I’m just merely stating that it sucks for other teams but like I said COH and Radnor didn’t break any rules so I can’t fault them. I just wish there is a way to make this better. To me, I want the best teams\individuals to compete at STATES if all possible.

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    18. On another note, I did notice the move by the anchor leg for Rustin widen out of Noah Affolder's way on the last lap towards the record. I happened to see a Carlisle coach or parent go over and say something to him. Classy move by both. That's what the sport is all about!

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    19. That Rustin runner could have said I'm in it for myself, my allegiance is to my team, Carlisle can go around me. He wouldn't have broken a single rule. But he gets it.

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  2. Carlisle could challenge the Central Buck South 7:33 4x800 which is usually considered the most untouchable of PA distance records.

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  3. Carlisle: I wasn’t expecting Noah to run but what a great team effort. Sam was his usual self. Props to Wisner and Kole for opening up a lead for Noah which allowed him to conserve some energy for his individual races. Since Noah indicated that he looking to go under 8:40 (3200), I don’t think we will see same squad for outdoor.

    GF: Much like the Afforders, I have to give a lot of credit to Dahl (he sacrificed individual honors for team - what a classy guy). Put this team on his back. Also great run by Plass. 7:47 is a GREAT time.

    CBW and SC: 7:51sh. Ran as expected. Watch out for these 2 team outdoors

    Pennsbury and Abington: I was expecting them in low 7:50ish particularly Pennsbury.

    BS: wow. 8:00 without Hoey. They could be under 7:50 if Hoey runs outdoors.

    CBE: 8:00: was xpecting them to break 7:55.

    NP: 8:01 with Grace (PR is 2:09) replacing O’toole. If o’toole runs, can we see sub 7:50 again outdoors?

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